Tuesday, 17 July 2012

Startrite Robland SD310 planer thicknesser

Heres a description of the restoration of a Startrite/Robland SD310 planer thicknesser.

I had been looking for a cast iron bedded planer/thicknesser for a while..something that would be easyish to get into my workshop which is in the basement of my house..this discounted the wadkin type of machines as they wouldnt strip down into managable lumps to manhandle down 14 stone steps into my workshop.
I've managed to get a colchester student lathe and harrison graduate woodturning lathes and a largeish startrite bandsaw down there in the past so I am used to moving heavy machinery around.

So I thought the types of machine were either a sedgwick 12" planer or the startrite SD310.

Looking on ebay there seemed to be a regular supply of these machines at affordable prices ~circa £500 I wasnt fussed whether it was 3 phase or single phase so I placed about 6 suitable machines in my watch list and sat back and waited till 15mins before they ended to see what I could win. I was cautious about bidding for  a machine that was too far away because of costs in time travelling to fetch it,so I tried to limit myself to machines within about two and half hours drive away.

After missing a few machines that soared in the last few minutes to a level that I thought was too much I spied one ending very late at night presently at £200 so with finger ready to place my bid in the last 10 seconds I mentally decided to place my max bid of £550....was pleasantly surprised to win for only £440..then the doubts arrived ...
why had I won for so little when other similar looking machines had gone for 600 plus..had I  missed something glaringly obvious wrong with it.
The seller had said in his listing it was in good working order and he had 100% pos feedback...

The machine was only 70 miles away too

The next day saw me hurtling across the pennines in my estate car to fetch my new toy

First impressions was well it looks rougher that the photos suggested but at least it all seemed to be there.
The previous owner had said he had bought it intending to use it from a woodworker who was retiring but in the time he had had it changed his plans so had decided to sell it on.

We dragged it out of his store into the sunlight and I set to with the spanners taking enough weight off it to be able to rock it over into the back of my car



This is how it looked when brought out into the light of day
Note  round 3 pin plug   I wonder when it was last used.
Anywhere that shavings could collect there was chippings all compacted I'm sure it hadnt been used in donkeys years.
Lots of rust on the bottom panals that wasnt shown in the ebay listing pics
The box contained a set of shaw guides/gaurds and there was a set of new blades in a packet dated 1984
The seller declined to plug the machine in to test glibly saying it had worked the last time it was powered
perhaps I should have walked away at that point

Anyway 30 minutes had all the beds off and the chap gave me lift into the car with the main body ,it perhaps weighs about 170kg

On arrival back to Sheffield I managed to slide it out and onto my driveway so I could have a better look at what I had bought. Heres some snaps.....







I always knew that any machine I bought I would be stripping it down to replace any bearings and do any mechanical/electrical work to make it safe and capable of work

The next day I started to strip it down fully intending to give the base a good wire brushing before painting with hammerite paint.However after getting a bare chassis the amount of rust and thick previously applied paint made the wire brush hours  look unatractive so I made the decision to cart the chassis and one panel off to be shot blasted and powder coated



So with the big lump out of the way I could start on the task of cleaning and preparing all of the bits so when the chassis came back I could just slip them back on ...
First off theres an awfull lot of parts in a planer/thicknesser

Whilst stripping the chassis out I had noticed that the cutter block rotated but sounded rough but the feed rollers either didnt turn or were very stiff...new bearings there then I thought...but the sprockets on the end were welded on ! Robland/Startrite obviously thought that the feed rollers were a sealed item to be replaced as a whole...even the bearings were welded into carriers...mental note to start work on them sooner rather than later.

I should at this point remind readers that no manufacturer spares are available for this machine so if anythings missing or needs work you are on your own either repairing or making new parts..

Theres a lot of parts which all needed cleaning and checking so I set to with degreaser and wire brushes etc

I found a broken pin on one of the infeed table lifts so that needed drilling out and a new 8mm dia piece of silver steel welding in and a pin hole drilling to retain the table.

The sprockets I managed to get off by cutting the weld off with an angle grinder in a sort of dishing movement then applying pullers and eventually the old sprockets came off very bent mind...

I bought new sprockets and turned the bores out to 17mm then drilled and tapped for 8mm grub screws to hold them on the shafts...then turning my attention to the bearings for the feed rollers i gently cut away the welds holding the 2 halfs together. On the rubber outfeed roller this released the bearings and the roller so an easy job to replace and a quick welding job to fasten back up the carriers.

The knurled infeed roller however was a different matter as it was welded much more ...holding the anti-kickback fingers in...but i found that by gently bending the carriers back it was possible to wriggle the roller out clean it up and replace with new bearings and wriggle it all back together.



Here are the two assemblies just waiting for a coat of paint..

I dont know if all sd310's have this arrangment of welded up parts making you have to buy the whole assembly.

There was now a few days of cleaning and painting all the bits and pieces. I replaced all the bearings in the machine as a matter of course

4 in the feed rollers
2 in the cutter block
4 in the feed roller drive assembly
1 each in belt tensioner and chain tensioner

After a few days the chassis was ready at the powder coaters ...it looked fantastic I was very pleased that I had spent the money ( £90 ) having it blasted and painted as it was far superior to anything I could have done in my workshop..





It was a pleasure reassembling it with all clean and painted parts...all the prep I had done paid off and I was able to reassemble in about 3 hours.
I replaced all the wiring and switches and placed an extra start switch at the right hand end where previously there was only a stop switch.

After all this the machine sounded great while running...just setting up was needed.

Set up..........

I dont know whether this is the proper way to set up but its worked for me.

1.. make sure that the thicknessing table is clean on its flange that fastens to the rising column

2... install thicknessing table making sure bolts are tight

3... level thicknessing table as level as you can by placing shims under the chassis's feet using a long spirit level.

4...  I used engineers 321 blocks to level the cutter block to the table...raising the thicknessing table to just touch the cutter block ..one at each side in the mid way position between blades..the bolts at the non drive end are slotted to allow adjustment ....if ground blocks are not available then any 2 exact thickness blocks would suffice.

5..level the outfeed table to horizontal with the spirit level....2 nuts at the hinge side...

6..now level the outfeed table to the cutter block using the height adjusters under the outfeed table.
I used a combination square to drop down onto the mid area of the cutter block.

7... install blades and adjust so a straight edge is carried forwards about 2-3mm on turning the blades over TDC

8... adjust infeed table so its level and coplaner to the outfeed table using a long straight edge and feeler gauges. using all bolts that fasten table to chassis 4 bolts and 2 more on a cross shaft which could be replaced when all level

9...Thats all so time to test the whole machine.



It worked perfectly

I would say that in all it cost me about £ 850 and 20-30 hours to do up





44 comments:

  1. Hi, I'm looking at buying one of these machines. I guess you've been running yours for a few years now. Hows it working for you?

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    1. Hi Ian,
      I've got one of these and have been looking for a manual (3 phase version). Any ideas. Looking to replace the drive belt but can't see how to do it without taking the whole gear assembly off.
      Cheers,
      Andy

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    2. Andy
      let me have your email address and i'll send you a book
      ianpark1@aol.com

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    3. Hi Ian,

      Please would you able to send me a manual? I've just discovered one in the back of my dad's workshop and I'm looking to restore it and get it working again :)

      matt.goodwinhigson@gmail.com

      Many Thanks
      Matt

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  2. Hi Ian
    Fantastic job on the planer, very impressive.
    I have one myself (it doesn't look as good as yours) biut it has served me well and it needs a little TLC and i am also looking for a manual so iof you could point me in the right direction, it would be most appreciated.

    Cheers
    Des Carroll

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  3. Hi can you send me the manual pls

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  4. If you need a manual please email me with your email address

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    1. I would love a copy of the manual please, fantastic work on yours! tomlawrence25@gmail.com

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    2. Hi Ian . love the work you have done. wondering if you could email me a copy of the manual. also where did you et the bearing from. hope you can help thanks jon email info@producethegoods.com

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  5. hi. Interesting blog. I have just bought an identical machine with similar issues as you encountered. As far as I can tell there is no dust collection facility when overhand planing - have you made anything to avoid getting dust and shavings everywhere? Thanks - Graham

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  6. I just made a hopper to sit on top of the thicknessing table connected to my extractor system

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    1. Okay thanks, pretty much what I had in mind. Graham

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  7. Ian - have you a record of the bearing identification codes and did you replace the chains as well? Appreciate your advice. Mine runs but clatters and howls a bit. Thanks.

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  8. Hi i was planning to restore my Sd310 and was thinking where did you get the spares parts from ? was it from online?

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  9. Other than bearings belts electrical parts blades which are easily available from engineering sources I cant imagine any spares being easily available

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  10. So you think that we should not look and buy this machine? If there are no spare parts than this is real problem.

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  11. Dejan
    Well parts that you are likely to need are easily available those are motors and electrical parts, drive belts,bearings ,blades
    Other parts are not likely to be available easily but you are not likely to need them in normal use.
    So if you find a machine that is complete and missing nothing go ahead and get a good machine but beware if something is missing

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  12. Graham

    All bearings and chains were replaced..I didn’t keep notes of which bearing numbers
    They are easy to see when you remove old bearings

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  13. You have encouraged me enormously to restore my 3 phase machine. One reason for doing it. Is the toothed drive roller does not bite hard enough to pull the wood through. I would like to remove it and re-cut teeth along it length, by turning the tool on its side. Or, are the rollers easily obtained and are inexpensive Ian?Could l have a copy of the manual please? Daniel phippsdj@yahoo.com

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  14. I’d be surprised if you can find a new roller at any price...but equally i’d Be surprised if your roller is worn as long as it is turning correctly it should drive the wood through. Don’t try and take too big a bite and make sure the thicknesses bed is smooth and waxed.. i’ll Send the manual on

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  15. Hi Ian,

    Please could you send me a copy of the manual?

    Brooksbj2 atsign gmail dotcom

    Thanks!

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  16. Hi Ian,
    Can you send me the manual for this planer please.
    freddegrussa@hotmail.co.uk

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  17. hi sorry but could i also get a copy of the manual ive got one that am sorting out aswell ste_tunney@hotmail.co.uk

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  18. I have one of these machines and would really appreciate a copy of the manual. Is there a way to reduce the feed roller speed when thicknessing? Mine struggles with harder woods, even only taking off very small amounts. It looks like it was a 3 phase machine but has been converted to single. Somersettreesurgery@gmail.com

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  19. Hello Ian. I just bought a similar machine on eBay. From the pictures I think I might have to do what youvyo done and seeing the result of your hard work, im encouraged to take it all apart and bring it back to its former glory. My email id saaid123@yahoo.co.uk I would e very grateful if you could send me a copy of the manual. Many thanks. Saaid

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  20. Hi, that's a beauty!
    can you help please?!
    Im the new technician for a school and we have one of these in the workshop but no one seems to know how it works. would you be able to send us the manual or better still a video! I know a lot to ask but we would appreciate any help you can give! many thanks!

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  21. oh I forgot... my email is leahdarling@hotmail.com

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  22. Hi Ian,
    It has taken me a while to get back to you with my email addrses for a copy of the manual, its carrollcarpentry1976@gmail.com.

    Thanks again.
    Des carroll

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  23. am having a nightmare getting im infeed table coplaner any tips

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  24. hi
    I have the same machine
    I need a photo of the switch from the inside because I do not know how to connect the machine, what engine you have in this machine
    gumas00@gmail.com

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  25. Just got one of these Saturday, in need of a lot of TLC! Drive belt seems slack resulting in the cutter head stalling when thicknessing and also the indeed table is off level. Do you know a good source for spares for this machine?

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  26. Belt, bearings, electrical stuff is easy to get from suppliers but no unique machine spares are available as far as I know

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  27. Hi Ian

    As like many others I’ve been searching for a manual for this machine after recently purchasing one on eBay, in doing so I’ve come across your page, well done on the refurb, fantastic job, I’d love to do a similar job to mine, any chance you could send me a copy of the manual? My email address is john.wilkibolton@gmail.com itl be very much appreciated

    Thanks

    John

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  28. Hi Ian,

    I have just recently purchased an 240v SDX 310 version on ebay. Please could you send me the manual via email. 12tree.broughton@mail.com.

    I'm having trouble getting it going as it doesn't start. Do you or anyone on here know if it needs a 32amp or 16amp connection?

    Thanks in advance. Your machine looks awesome!

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  29. Hi Ian, are you still out there?
    Been reading your blog with great interest. Thank you!
    Desperately trying to get my ‘new’ 310 in action.
    Appreciate the lengths you went to in order to get everything back to factory perfect and somewhat daunted by the process!
    So far I have managed to give all parts a good clean. Get the belt tensioning wheel aligned (was loosely held in place by twisted wire).
    Free up there ‘on’ arm which was seized.
    The problem I have is with the fiddle the machine blows a fuse whoever it turns on.
    Do you have any suggestions.
    I can’t imagine myself grinding off bars to replace bearings. Could there be any simple places to start.
    Also if you were able to send
    Me a manual I would appreciate it very much. Thank you. thehillyfield@gmail.com

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  30. Hi All, I'm amazed this post is still running! I have a Robland Startrite K210 combination machine. Unfortunately the blade is not parallel to the mitre slot. I have managed to loosen off the Allen screws which seem to be the only thing holding the underslung saw carriage but cannot get it to rotate into alignment. Anyone have any tips on how to do this?
    Many thanks
    John

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  31. Hello Ian
    Thank you for this post, read it at least a dozen times
    If possible please could you email the manual or a link to where I might get a copy.ive a SD310 and need to change the cutter block bearings as they are getting noisy or at least that all I can put it down to . Having just made 10 frame and filled doors +frames for a warehouse each big enough for a forklift I think it’s earned a bit of TLC
    many thanks
    Brizzo.r@btinternet.com

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  32. Hi Ian, i see it’s 8y since your super restoration and this is still the top resource for Sd310 info! I bought one last year but I really need to bite the bullet and align the thicknesses table to the cutter. Could I ask you to email me a copy of the manual please to josh@danziger.org.uk? Many thanks, Josh

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  33. Hi Ian, i see it’s 8y since your super restoration and this is still the top resource for Sd310 info! I bought one last year but I really need to bite the bullet and align the thicknesses table to the cutter. Could I ask you to email me a copy of the manual please to josh@danziger.org.uk? Many thanks, Josh

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  34. Hi Ian,Sorry to bother you bud i struggle to find a manual. could you please help me? thanks Jan from the Netherlands
    jan.van.staalduinen@gmail.com

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    1. found one, if someone else is looking:
      http://www.altsawsandspares.co.uk/SD310%20Handbook%2031E%20WM.pdf

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  37. Hi Ian, where did you source your replacement sprockets from? The chain appears to be 1/2 pitch 1/8 width like a single speed bike, but none of the platewheel suppliers recognise that as a standard! Any help would be greatly appreciated

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